How to Get the Classic Start Bar in Windows 7

October 23, 2009 By Schwabe 15 comments

Microsoft has killed the Classic Start Bar in the new Windows 7.
Its gone and it doesn't seem to be coming back, much to the disarray of Classic Start Bar lovers worldwide. Yet there is hope...

The Case for a Classic Start Menu

Its a common assumption that people who want the Classic Start menu back in Windows 7 are just refusing to embrace the "new superior start menu". Or that we are Windows 98 fanboys or something. This is plain wrong. For Nerds like me, the real reason we want the Classic Start Menu back is this: efficiency. Specifically pertaining to the use of expanding custom folder trees for organizing program shortcuts. Sure, the new Windows 7 Start Menu is good - but they omitted the ability to add custom shortcut menus.

In Windows XP you could create a custom sub folder on your Start Menu. This allowed for easy categorization of your most commonly used programs. This is actually the most efficient way to organize your programs. Because A) browsing the "All Programs" list is tedious when you have lots of programs. And B) desktop folders containing shortcuts is inefficient because you have to unnecessarily open a new window on your desktop, then click your desired program. With a start menu sub-folder you can easily browse through your entire selection of apps in just one mouse click.

Classic Start Bar with custom folders

Above: screenshot from Schwabe's Windows XP installation

The way you did this is simple: create a folder on the desktop. Copy & paste various program shortcuts into it. Then simply click and drag this folder to the Start Bar. Viola. The end result would look something like the above example. I have setup sub folders for Development, Games, Graphics, Projects, Sound & Video, Web, and a miscellaneous Stuff folder.

Why the Windows 7 Start Bar Pisses People Off

You CAN add folders to the start menu in Windows 7. However, the key difference is this: no longer do your sub folders expand. So there is no folder tree. When you click on a sub folder you've added to the Windows 7 start menu - the folder opens up in a new window. Adding clutter to your desktop. And an extra step to get to your favorite apps. And this is the gripe we have with the new Start Menu; this one little flaw; the fact that custom folders do not expand.

Windows 7 Start Bar

Above: the new Windows 7 Start bar by default. Notice the "Development" folder doesn't expand to show my applications.

A Superior Alternative to both New and Classic Start Menu

After realizing the new Windows 7 Start Menu could not display sub folders and that there was no way to restore the Classic Menu - I was starting to get a little nervous. To be honest, it even crossed my mind to revert back to Windows XP. But my persistence in finding a solution prevailed, and I think you will enjoy the results of my findings.

The new solution combines the benefit of Windows 7 taskbar with the benefit of the Classic Start menu. 7Stacks is a new app that extends the functionality of the new Windows 7 task bar by allowing you to transform a desktop folder into a "stack" that appears on the task bar.

In Windows 7, the new Taskbar is perhaps the biggest new feature. Inspired by Apple's "dock" philosophy, the new Taskbar organizes and makes more efficient the programs that rest on your taskbar. You can"pin" or "unpin" apps and its now much more intuitive to have a whole bunch of programs open at the same time.

The new taskbar however, as good as it is, lacks the ability to display a sub folder tree. And that is why the program "7Stacks" shines. Now you can create a custom shortcut folder, complete with expandable folder trees, right on your Windows 7 taskbar. This is more efficient than even the Classic Start Menu and it takes advantage of one of the best new features in Windows 7. Here's what mine looks like:

Windows 7 Stacks

Above: With 7Stacks all of your shortcuts can pop out of the taskbar. In this example the "Development" folder (the green icon) has just been clicked.

Windows 7 Stacks

Above: the "Stuff" folder "Development" folder just clicked

How to Use 7Stacks

Download 7Stacks and install it. Now before you start using it -you will need to have some folders ready. Create a folder on the desktop that will be the home for your favorite apps. I like to have separate folders for Art, Development, Games, Multimedia, and a miscellaneous folder called "Stuff".

Once you have a folder created, transform it into a Stack by clicking the "Create a new 7Stack" desktop icon added from the 7Stack installer.

7Stack

Folder to use for stack: browse to the desktop folder you just created
Stack Type: here you can control how the stack will display (you can change this later)
Icon: I recommend adding a custom icon to help you identify the folder.
Show "Explore" item on the stack: disable this to ensure your stack looks clean
Browse subfolders within the stack: this is important if you want to nest more than 1 folder

Finally, click the "Create Shortcut on Desktop" to create the icon. Now, drag this to the Task bar and select "pin this program to taskbar"

To change the appearance or other options after your stack has been created, simply right click your new stack to open the options menu.

 

The new Windows 7 Start Menu is good, but its lack of custom folder trees is a big annoyance to many nerds. With 7Stacks, you can leave the Start Bar as is - and extend the already new & improved Windows 7 Taskbar to organize & dock your favorite apps.

 

P.S. - there is a tool called "CSMenu" which has been a popularly suggested alternative to getting back the Classic Start menu in Windows 7. However, it does not support custom sub folders and thus is quite pointless.

 

 

 

Comments

Xergio says...

I think you are complicating yourself to much. If you press the "Windows" key on your keyboard and start typing the name of the program that you want to open... BANG! it's there, in less than a second! (it could be a little bit more, depending on your hardware xD). The only thing you need to be sure is that you have a shortcut of that program in "All Programs". That's what makes the search really fast. You can even press "Enter" before you see the results of your search and it will open your program right away. Just make sure that you typed it well and that it will be the 1st result in the list. For example, if you type "adobe" and hit "enter", we don't know what application will be opened because you have a lot of Adobe Software, but if you type "fireworks" and hit "enter" it will run "Adobe Fireworks CS4" (unless you have another application that's called fireworks...). I know this isn't what you where looking for, and I used to do something similar with the folders but sometimes we have to change a little bit the way we work, specially when we talk about computers. Maybe someday the Start Bar will disappear and you can't keep rolling back in time like that, you know where I mean, right? Best regards from Argentina! =)

Steve says...

Thanks, I am a fan of the new Win7 start bar but didn't realize that you could create shorcut folders in XP. but im fine with just typing the program i need

Schwabe says...

Indeed the search function built into the new Startbar is a great way to load apps quickly. Although as easy as this is, as Xergio points out, I still find it more intuitive to view a categorized "menu" of my software. Its analogous to having a toolkit in your garage. When you build something, you don't always know exactly the tool you need until you see it lying there in your toolbox. And whoever heard of a toolbox that you can't organize or one that doesn't let you see your available tools until you type a search query for it.

Xergio says...

I know what you mean Schwabe, sometimes it happens exactly the same to me. But I fix it using a dock bar called "RocketDock". You can't expand folders with it, so it's not what you are looking for (again... sorry xD), but you can put a lot of shortcuts there and divide the icons with "separators" to simulate some sort of "categories". Besides it's a very cool dock, it helps me a lot... here, take a look: http://jh6ezw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pUwQz8jCwa67fJprloQt4lk0iEuw8R-yll... I hope you like it.

@Schwabe Nice analogy. Personally I enjoy the vista programs menu and I can't imagine ever reverting back to XP. :]

I was looking for this! Thank you! Nice website by the way, also looks good in 1920x1200!

Omega Seamaster says...

Thanks, I am a fan of the new Win7 start bar but didn't realize that you could create shorcut folders in XP

Mergatroid says...

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly the way I used to set up my XP start menu. Just about every person who calls us "old fashioned" and "unable to grasp new things" didn't know how to take full advantage of the old XP start menu. It's funny how people can use something for years and have no idea of all the options available in it. I also don't understand why some people seem to think typing is better than point and click. We used to type, and it sucked. So we invented the GUI and mouse. Now some people seem to think typing is new or something. What if you have two or more apps with similar names? What if you can't remember the name of the app you're looking for? What if you're a crappy speller? I don't mind the search function, and adding it to the old start menu would have been perfect. The people who insist typing is better would be happy, and the people who actually know how to customize a start menu could have their way as well. I think it was quite foolish of MS to remove the option for the classic start menu, forcing many customers to go looking for a better solution when it could have been built right into the system ala Vista.

Mergatroid says...

Hate to double post but... 7stacks is cute, but it doesn't do the job either. You can't drag and drop, or sort (although they are planning on it in future versions). Also, I would prefer to put it in my start menu and keep the task bar clean for tasks, but if you pin it to the start menu you still have to click on it to open it. Also, there's an annoying bug. If you put your task bar along the top (where I like it) the stacks don't open properly and the name of the stack at the top is obscured by the task bar. For now, I think I have found a better option. I am just leaving the crappy start menu unused, and placing all my apps, games, system utilities and everything else I use a lot into a gadget called Launch Control. It allows dragging and dropping, you can categorize all your programs and files, it has the control panel, Run, System and any other system management utilities you decide to add. Be sure to read the instructions. You can customize it quite a bit, and options for the files you drag in are available by holding in Control and left clicking on the icon. It's more of a complete start menu replacement than a new start menu, but so far it works really well, looks nice, is very customizable, and very functional. I'll keep using it until I find something wrong with it. If you're interested in trying it, just right click on your desktop, select Gadgets, click on "Get more gadgets online", scroll to the bottom of the page and select "Get more desktop gadgets". At the top of the page enter "Launch Control" into the search bar and it should come up on the page. Give it a try, it's pretty nice. And once again it will prove us "old guys" embrace the new, but not the crappy.

Schwabe says...

Glad to know I am not the only one out there who actually used the old Start menu to its potential! @Megatroid - thanks for the headsup on Launch Control. I'll try it out. Your'e right, 7Stacks is definitely not perfect. I also noticed that with a lot of shortcuts the menus will start to lag.

T Dean says...

I just paid a lot of money for a new computer with Windows 7. These are my issues: 1. Why should I buy, pay, or download something that Windows 7 should do? a. Plus I tried a few and they were buggy or lack something. 2. I'm old and seeing is an issue. Any goof at MS should try to explain to me why I have this 21inch monitor and I'm trying to scroll and find a program in a tiny window. 3. I do NOT spell very well and how the heck do I know know what to type? Damn, that was DOS's problem. Windows came along and you pointed and clicked. Lastly, the code is still there, just allow me to turn on expanding Windows so I can see all my choices on my monitor which I can read. I should start a class action lawsuit for the damage they are causing to my eyes!

Joe says...

Just get this and your done: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/7847/classicshell-adds-classic-start-menu... If you use more than 10 software the windows 7 start menu is horibble. If all you do is check your email. look at youtube and shop online it is fine. For professionals xp was the best.

Interesting...hadn't seen this before. Ubuntu has a slightly different take on it as well breaking the start menu into "Applications" and a separate menu for folders, etc. http://media.bestofmicro.com/Linux-Ubuntu-9-04,X-R-209871-13.png

pseudoperson says...

I beta tested W7 and noted that the development team didn't want to hear anything that would take advantage of Classic or XP options/functionality. The concerns expressed are not new. They were pooh poohed during the beta by the MS development staff. The fact that they encourage typing, that simple tasks are more complicated and usually require more strokes and clicking is exasperating. At home each person has a PC. I have a machine I use to connect to the office as well as one I use for personal activity. There are applications I hide from the non-administative user on all machines. Then there are the applications/software that one child doesn't want another child to use or even see. It used to be easy to manage these simple needs while logged in as an admin. Now it requires a lot of messing around and as others have stated, not only is typing of an app name is hit and miss, is has been known to display an app that a 'Guest' or basic user shouldn't see. The expanding tree is wonderfull. Another issue is with the new windows explorer. The folder view, no called the 'navigation pane' has big usage issue for those of us that use it a lot. The address bar and the folder highlighted don't match, BIG ISSUE. Also, to expand a folder to its subfolders requires extra effort. You can't just highlight a folder to see it's contents. You need to click on the "+" or hit the enter key or use the right arrow. My list of issues with Windows 7 functionality and frustration with its use grows every day. My son, a teen, is using running the Beta on his destop today and I'm running Ultimate on my laptop. He is not enchanted with 7 (and for reason of my own I will not say anything unbalanced about 7 to him). Thinks its all about pretty nothing little about functionality. While I don't wholely agree with him, when the beta license expires I'll be installing XP on that machine. Up to now I've required him to use it because I thought he'd get used to it and love it. When I do that I'll be installing XP on the laptop too.

xboxkid says...

I really like the default start menu on Win 7, but if you have some IT background, it definitely easier to use the classic. You know where everything is!

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